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My first playthrough of Shin Megami Tensei IV was on the Chaos path, the path of freedom where you supposedly create a world where you can shape it any way you want if you have to will or power. I got to the ending, and as the MC and Lucifer (as Hikaru) watch the sacking of Mikado she goes on to say that the people will only murder each other and need order and someone to rule them, and invites the MC to be their king. Seriously? After all that talk of freedom and the laws of man being unnecessary on the part of the Chaos forces, Lucifer goes all Thomas Hobbes on me? What's the point of Lucifer championing freedom and complaining about submission and then asking the player to rule over the people? What's the point of Lucifer decrying order, more specifically God's order, in the universe, and then going on about how people need order and somebody to rule them? GalaxiaWild (talk) 21:48, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


The White made it pretty clear what's going on: when one side goes too far down Law/Chaos they start to crave its opposite. They literally showed this with the Akira's of Blasted Tokyo/Infernal Tokyo. On Jonathan's Route Lilith even brings it up if you use Fundraise on her to the point she gets mad, saying that too much chaos is bad.--JupiterKnight (talk) 21:56, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
I found her bonus dialogue, and yes, it does seem to make that pretty clear. The forces of Chaos seem to have no trouble dealing with it, so I wonder if their banking on it, or have a plan for it...
And hang on, what about the Law forces? GalaxiaWild (talk) 22:45, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

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